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	<title>Comments on: [ERO] Game News: 2007 Bishoujo Game Award results published</title>
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		<title>By: Nargrakhan</title>
		<link>http://heiseidemocracy.com/2008/01/19/ero-game-news-2007-bishoujo-game-award-results-published/comment-page-1/#comment-58154</link>
		<dc:creator>Nargrakhan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 19:14:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay... I clearly see no &lt;strong&gt;Gun-Katana&lt;/strong&gt; on this list, so I assume that means &lt;em&gt;Cyc&lt;/em&gt; is in league with &lt;em&gt;CSA&lt;/em&gt;. I&#039;m too upset to really check on that, because if they are with &lt;em&gt;EOCS&lt;/em&gt;... Narg will go trippy (although I do love &lt;em&gt;TinkerBell&lt;/em&gt;)... However I really don&#039;t care for these award things – or even sites such as ErogameScape - for three main reasons off the top of my head.

#1: What the eroge Japanese &quot;polls&quot; call quality eroge, and what I personally view as quality eroge don&#039;t mix. Seriously. I have seen titles that outright suck in my opinion, score pretty high on ErogameScape... Then there are titles that I think absolutely kick ass, which score low on ErogameScape. However this applies to a lot of things: not just eroge. Many of us are aware of anime series that bombed in Japan, become major hits in the West (the &lt;strong&gt;Big O&lt;/strong&gt; for example). We don&#039;t always think alike.


#2: The more I studied how the eroge market works, the more I realized how &quot;fanboy politics&quot; are involved everywhere... which certainly does not get carried overseas. It&#039;s a pretty heated topic that is not appropriate for this place... but just checkout &lt;strong&gt;Dies Irae&lt;/strong&gt; for example. Then you have &quot;loyalists&quot; groups who support certain circles no matter what... which leads into TREMENDOUS bias here and there. The &lt;strong&gt;Ijitte Princess&lt;/strong&gt; series keeps selling tons of titles, despite it being utterly unimaginative garbage (except for maybe &lt;em&gt;Final Road&lt;/em&gt;. Now that can&#039;t be right.


#3: Sometimes these experts have their heads stuck too far up the butt. Take action movies as a pointer: how many times have &quot;professional movie critics&quot; given a badass &quot;guns and tits&quot; movie 2 stars or less, when the &quot;common man&quot; rates it as a 5 star extravaganza? I don&#039;t know what planet those idiots are on... but they aren&#039;t watching the movie like me. Same goes for eroge. What they are looking for, might not be what I&#039;m looking for... or what I think my &quot;fellow blue collar eroge Westerner&quot; is looking for.


I can tell ya right now: I certainly don&#039;t agree with how some of those awards were given out. To begin with, I don&#039;t think &lt;strong&gt;Harukani Aogi&lt;/strong&gt; deserved such a &lt;strong&gt;LotR&lt;/strong&gt; type showing. It&#039;s a good game, but not that damn good. Then again if it had twincest... ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay&#8230; I clearly see no <strong>Gun-Katana</strong> on this list, so I assume that means <em>Cyc</em> is in league with <em>CSA</em>. I&#8217;m too upset to really check on that, because if they are with <em>EOCS</em>&#8230; Narg will go trippy (although I do love <em>TinkerBell</em>)&#8230; However I really don&#8217;t care for these award things – or even sites such as ErogameScape &#8211; for three main reasons off the top of my head.</p>
<p>#1: What the eroge Japanese &#8220;polls&#8221; call quality eroge, and what I personally view as quality eroge don&#8217;t mix. Seriously. I have seen titles that outright suck in my opinion, score pretty high on ErogameScape&#8230; Then there are titles that I think absolutely kick ass, which score low on ErogameScape. However this applies to a lot of things: not just eroge. Many of us are aware of anime series that bombed in Japan, become major hits in the West (the <strong>Big O</strong> for example). We don&#8217;t always think alike.</p>
<p>#2: The more I studied how the eroge market works, the more I realized how &#8220;fanboy politics&#8221; are involved everywhere&#8230; which certainly does not get carried overseas. It&#8217;s a pretty heated topic that is not appropriate for this place&#8230; but just checkout <strong>Dies Irae</strong> for example. Then you have &#8220;loyalists&#8221; groups who support certain circles no matter what&#8230; which leads into TREMENDOUS bias here and there. The <strong>Ijitte Princess</strong> series keeps selling tons of titles, despite it being utterly unimaginative garbage (except for maybe <em>Final Road</em>. Now that can&#8217;t be right.</p>
<p>#3: Sometimes these experts have their heads stuck too far up the butt. Take action movies as a pointer: how many times have &#8220;professional movie critics&#8221; given a badass &#8220;guns and tits&#8221; movie 2 stars or less, when the &#8220;common man&#8221; rates it as a 5 star extravaganza? I don&#8217;t know what planet those idiots are on&#8230; but they aren&#8217;t watching the movie like me. Same goes for eroge. What they are looking for, might not be what I&#8217;m looking for&#8230; or what I think my &#8220;fellow blue collar eroge Westerner&#8221; is looking for.</p>
<p>I can tell ya right now: I certainly don&#8217;t agree with how some of those awards were given out. To begin with, I don&#8217;t think <strong>Harukani Aogi</strong> deserved such a <strong>LotR</strong> type showing. It&#8217;s a good game, but not that damn good. Then again if it had twincest&#8230; ;)</p>
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		<title>By: Terry Bogard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terry Bogard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 02:53:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>orz</description>
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		<title>By: Shingo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shingo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 05:05:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt;loplop
The way the year is divided for the purpose of the awards Shin Ringetsu would count as a 2008 game, but it doesn&#039;t appear to a selectable option among &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bishojyogameaward.org/2008/titlelist.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the list of games&lt;/a&gt; currently in the running... odd. The list does seem woefully incomplete.

&gt;&gt;Terry Bogard
One would think so, but it seems MOSAIC.WAV won the day with their denpa anthem of a theme song.

&gt;&gt;blacklotus
The exclusion of Lilith wasn&#039;t so big a deal, seeing as until this year there wasn&#039;t an award category their games could&#039;ve competed in (they produce exclusively &quot;low price&quot; games), but now that there is such a category they would be a serious contender if they were allowed to compete. Nitro+, of course, is one of the heavy hitters in the industry these days, and the lack of representation from them is a pretty major omission.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>>>loplop<br />
The way the year is divided for the purpose of the awards Shin Ringetsu would count as a 2008 game, but it doesn&#8217;t appear to a selectable option among <a href="http://www.bishojyogameaward.org/2008/titlelist.html" rel="nofollow">the list of games</a> currently in the running&#8230; odd. The list does seem woefully incomplete.</p>
<p>>>Terry Bogard<br />
One would think so, but it seems MOSAIC.WAV won the day with their denpa anthem of a theme song.</p>
<p>>>blacklotus<br />
The exclusion of Lilith wasn&#8217;t so big a deal, seeing as until this year there wasn&#8217;t an award category their games could&#8217;ve competed in (they produce exclusively &#8220;low price&#8221; games), but now that there is such a category they would be a serious contender if they were allowed to compete. Nitro+, of course, is one of the heavy hitters in the industry these days, and the lack of representation from them is a pretty major omission.</p>
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		<title>By: blacklotus</title>
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		<dc:creator>blacklotus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 01:45:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not too familiar with all the ero games released to comment with authority, but if games from Nitro+ and Lilith aren&#039;t included in the contest, I think it&#039;s not as good, right?

It&#039;s just like the Oscars Awards excluding films from Sony and Dreamworks for judging. 8/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not too familiar with all the ero games released to comment with authority, but if games from Nitro+ and Lilith aren&#8217;t included in the contest, I think it&#8217;s not as good, right?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s just like the Oscars Awards excluding films from Sony and Dreamworks for judging. 8/</p>
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		<title>By: Terry Bogard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terry Bogard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 20:48:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Didn&#039;t Figu@Mate win the &quot;fetish&quot; award, not the &quot;BGM&quot; award?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Didn&#8217;t Figu@Mate win the &#8220;fetish&#8221; award, not the &#8220;BGM&#8221; award?</p>
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		<title>By: loplop</title>
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		<dc:creator>loplop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 17:41:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The fact that Selen&#039;s Shin Ringetsu is not on there is a croc of you know what . . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fact that Selen&#8217;s Shin Ringetsu is not on there is a croc of you know what . . .</p>
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		<title>By: Shingo</title>
		<link>http://heiseidemocracy.com/2008/01/19/ero-game-news-2007-bishoujo-game-award-results-published/comment-page-1/#comment-57493</link>
		<dc:creator>Shingo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 10:31:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt;lostdog
I kind of ran out of steam on this post after working through the description of the system, orz. I&#039;m still planning a &quot;year in eroge&quot; post where I&#039;ll try to put my own spin on games from &#039;07, but as far as the results of this poll I find a few things a bit puzzling. Setting aside the fact that CSA games are left out of the reckoning, all of the games that won are worthy contenders, but I have to ask - where&#039;s Sengoku Rance? Of the games that won I&#039;ve only played Bullet Butlers and skimmed through Kowaku no Toki, but I can&#039;t be the only one who thought Rance would be the obvious favorite for the Grand Prize, User&#039;s Choice, BGM, New Genre, and Programming awards, and would be a strong contender for Scenario and Best Character (Uesugi Kenshin - come on, people!).

Personally I&#039;d treat these awards with roughly the same deference I&#039;d treat the Oscars - namely, as an interesting bit of trivia and an indication that if you played any of these you wouldn&#039;t be bored out of your skull, but a look at other metrics (EGS scores, Tech Gian polls)  indicates that they don&#039;t tell anything close to the whole story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>>>lostdog<br />
I kind of ran out of steam on this post after working through the description of the system, orz. I&#8217;m still planning a &#8220;year in eroge&#8221; post where I&#8217;ll try to put my own spin on games from &#8217;07, but as far as the results of this poll I find a few things a bit puzzling. Setting aside the fact that CSA games are left out of the reckoning, all of the games that won are worthy contenders, but I have to ask &#8211; where&#8217;s Sengoku Rance? Of the games that won I&#8217;ve only played Bullet Butlers and skimmed through Kowaku no Toki, but I can&#8217;t be the only one who thought Rance would be the obvious favorite for the Grand Prize, User&#8217;s Choice, BGM, New Genre, and Programming awards, and would be a strong contender for Scenario and Best Character (Uesugi Kenshin &#8211; come on, people!).</p>
<p>Personally I&#8217;d treat these awards with roughly the same deference I&#8217;d treat the Oscars &#8211; namely, as an interesting bit of trivia and an indication that if you played any of these you wouldn&#8217;t be bored out of your skull, but a look at other metrics (EGS scores, Tech Gian polls)  indicates that they don&#8217;t tell anything close to the whole story.</p>
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		<title>By: lostdog</title>
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		<dc:creator>lostdog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 09:32:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reputable, sure.  But useful?  It would be nice to get a view from one of the veteran eroge players out there (like, say, an expat running a fandom blog) on just how valid this year&#039;s awards were.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reputable, sure.  But useful?  It would be nice to get a view from one of the veteran eroge players out there (like, say, an expat running a fandom blog) on just how valid this year&#8217;s awards were.</p>
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