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	<title>Comments on: New Site Poll: Is visual censorship an issue for you?</title>
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		<title>By: Kat_Ears_Kahrain</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kat_Ears_Kahrain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 03:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am against censorship to anyone. It&#039;s basically telling you a problem, to which you don&#039;t know the answer, and then asking you to solve it several years later.

If you don&#039;t want to see it, close your eyes.
If you don&#039;t want to hear it, plug your ears.
If you don&#039;t want to say it, zip your lips.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am against censorship to anyone. It&#8217;s basically telling you a problem, to which you don&#8217;t know the answer, and then asking you to solve it several years later.</p>
<p>If you don&#8217;t want to see it, close your eyes.<br />
If you don&#8217;t want to hear it, plug your ears.<br />
If you don&#8217;t want to say it, zip your lips.</p>
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		<title>By: lolcat responses to dorama posts &#171; orz - SWISS CHEESE PORN</title>
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		<dc:creator>lolcat responses to dorama posts &#171; orz - SWISS CHEESE PORN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 00:04:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] On Shingo and visual censorship&#8230; [...]</description>
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		<title>By: blacklotus</title>
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		<dc:creator>blacklotus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 09:13:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Censorship (especially HUGE Mosaics and Blurs) is definitely a deal breaker for me.

I used to buy ero graphic books/manga from Japan. But stopped when I find that American releases are uncensored. Though US releases are slower or incomplete. e.g. Blue Eyes series.

Those single black line censoring are still alright. Though what purpose it served I have no idea, since one can see almost everything. :)

The whole idea of censorship nowadays is pretty stupid if you ask me. After all, with the internet, I can get more hardcore sex websites rather than biology/educational sites just by googling the words &#039;vagina, biology, education&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Censorship (especially HUGE Mosaics and Blurs) is definitely a deal breaker for me.</p>
<p>I used to buy ero graphic books/manga from Japan. But stopped when I find that American releases are uncensored. Though US releases are slower or incomplete. e.g. Blue Eyes series.</p>
<p>Those single black line censoring are still alright. Though what purpose it served I have no idea, since one can see almost everything. :)</p>
<p>The whole idea of censorship nowadays is pretty stupid if you ask me. After all, with the internet, I can get more hardcore sex websites rather than biology/educational sites just by googling the words &#8216;vagina, biology, education&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: Shingo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shingo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 04:51:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt;Sydney2K
The beauty of the internet (at least HD&#039;s corner of it) is that you can render it completely worksafe by &lt;a href=&quot;http://heiseidemocracy.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/image_noload.jpg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the touch of a button&lt;/a&gt;, assuming borderline visuals are the only thing you&#039;re worried about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>>>Sydney2K<br />
The beauty of the internet (at least HD&#8217;s corner of it) is that you can render it completely worksafe by <a href="http://heiseidemocracy.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/image_noload.jpg" rel="nofollow">the touch of a button</a>, assuming borderline visuals are the only thing you&#8217;re worried about.</p>
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		<title>By: Sydney2K</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sydney2K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 03:36:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is making Heisei Democracy work safe censorship or no?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is making Heisei Democracy work safe censorship or no?</p>
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		<title>By: YnY-u</title>
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		<dc:creator>YnY-u</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 01:01:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess I have two answers to the question. On the one hand, I am used to censorship, and it usually doesn&#039;t bother me, as long as it isn&#039;t too extreme and distracting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess I have two answers to the question. On the one hand, I am used to censorship, and it usually doesn&#8217;t bother me, as long as it isn&#8217;t too extreme and distracting.</p>
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		<title>By: Uziga fan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Uziga fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 18:31:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find it funny that some ero manga is more censored than a few of the works done by uziga waita like death panda which isnt censoring the violence to the women at all but seeing a vagina is so terrible it has to have a black bar over it. I guess that tells where the priorities are a body part that gives life censored but an act of taking life uncensored.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it funny that some ero manga is more censored than a few of the works done by uziga waita like death panda which isnt censoring the violence to the women at all but seeing a vagina is so terrible it has to have a black bar over it. I guess that tells where the priorities are a body part that gives life censored but an act of taking life uncensored.</p>
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		<title>By: shoujoboy</title>
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		<dc:creator>shoujoboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 12:42:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Censorship ultimately proves to be a minor annoyance.  I think full enjoyment of something comes form seeing it in it&#039;s entirety with no censorship at all, but it isn&#039;t like it&#039;s a deal breaker.  You know good and damn well what&#039;s being censored out and in the right (or wrong depending on how you look at it) mindset, a little mosaic action isn&#039;t going to do anything to kill the mood.  

That isn&#039;t to say that it isn&#039;t always a deal breaker.  Since visual censorship varies so much it ends up being a crap shoot with anything you view.  When censorship is small and only covers the bare minimum then it&#039;s perfectly fine and easily overlooked.  But when censorship is thick due to it just being that way or if there is a lot going on and more censorship is necessary, then it becomes too much of a distraction.  If have to look through a sea of mosaic just to see a face then it really ruins any potential enjoyment.

With all that said, I ultimately don&#039;t find any purpose in the censorship from the start.  Censorship on source material that is meant for adults seems counterproductive.  When a curse word on national TV is censored, that&#039;s ok... kids could be watching.  But when we are talking about something pornographic in nature, what&#039;s the point?  Adults are watching it and know they are watching it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Censorship ultimately proves to be a minor annoyance.  I think full enjoyment of something comes form seeing it in it&#8217;s entirety with no censorship at all, but it isn&#8217;t like it&#8217;s a deal breaker.  You know good and damn well what&#8217;s being censored out and in the right (or wrong depending on how you look at it) mindset, a little mosaic action isn&#8217;t going to do anything to kill the mood.  </p>
<p>That isn&#8217;t to say that it isn&#8217;t always a deal breaker.  Since visual censorship varies so much it ends up being a crap shoot with anything you view.  When censorship is small and only covers the bare minimum then it&#8217;s perfectly fine and easily overlooked.  But when censorship is thick due to it just being that way or if there is a lot going on and more censorship is necessary, then it becomes too much of a distraction.  If have to look through a sea of mosaic just to see a face then it really ruins any potential enjoyment.</p>
<p>With all that said, I ultimately don&#8217;t find any purpose in the censorship from the start.  Censorship on source material that is meant for adults seems counterproductive.  When a curse word on national TV is censored, that&#8217;s ok&#8230; kids could be watching.  But when we are talking about something pornographic in nature, what&#8217;s the point?  Adults are watching it and know they are watching it.</p>
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		<title>By: DJnerate</title>
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		<dc:creator>DJnerate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 12:02:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m neutral on the subject of censorship. I don&#039;t really care whether they put black bars or mosaics as long as I know what&#039;s going on, but I don&#039;t mind if they&#039;re not there. Because frankly, if you can imagine what&#039;s behind them, it&#039;s not a big deal at all.

What I make of the current ambiguity of censorship standards is that it was made and is kept ambiguous on purpose. I doubt the government really cares about whether people get to see penor and vagoo completely, they probably care more about showing the citizens who don&#039;t peruse such material that they&#039;re doing something in the name of public morals(no matter how little, or what an obviously useless gesture it is). And if need be, they can haul in anyone who offends them simply because they stepped over a barely visible line. Who&#039;s going to complain? &quot;I demand the right to see vaginal penetration in my entertainment&quot; is not a convincing argument to the majority of citizens.

Would anyone dare to challenge such government authority? Japan is, after all, the country where you can be held without trial or bail for 23 days merely by being accused of a crime.

I&#039;ve seen this back home as well. Ambiguity breeds fear because you don&#039;t know when you&#039;ve broken the law. I suspect the government isn&#039;t in a particular hurry to relinquish this leash it has on the adult industry. The first step, I believe, is to force them to clearly define the laws. Repealing censorship seems like a pipe dream at the present time to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m neutral on the subject of censorship. I don&#8217;t really care whether they put black bars or mosaics as long as I know what&#8217;s going on, but I don&#8217;t mind if they&#8217;re not there. Because frankly, if you can imagine what&#8217;s behind them, it&#8217;s not a big deal at all.</p>
<p>What I make of the current ambiguity of censorship standards is that it was made and is kept ambiguous on purpose. I doubt the government really cares about whether people get to see penor and vagoo completely, they probably care more about showing the citizens who don&#8217;t peruse such material that they&#8217;re doing something in the name of public morals(no matter how little, or what an obviously useless gesture it is). And if need be, they can haul in anyone who offends them simply because they stepped over a barely visible line. Who&#8217;s going to complain? &#8220;I demand the right to see vaginal penetration in my entertainment&#8221; is not a convincing argument to the majority of citizens.</p>
<p>Would anyone dare to challenge such government authority? Japan is, after all, the country where you can be held without trial or bail for 23 days merely by being accused of a crime.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve seen this back home as well. Ambiguity breeds fear because you don&#8217;t know when you&#8217;ve broken the law. I suspect the government isn&#8217;t in a particular hurry to relinquish this leash it has on the adult industry. The first step, I believe, is to force them to clearly define the laws. Repealing censorship seems like a pipe dream at the present time to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Suzu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Suzu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 10:50:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Someone from work (I work at a comicstore) once told me that he doesn&#039;t understand Japanese censorship.

I showed him some ero stuff with massive censorship and he said something along the lines of: What&#039;s the big deal? There&#039;s no need to censor it, we all know what&#039;s happening, right?

Actually, that&#039;s exactly what I&#039;m thinking. But I guess that&#039;s a cultural thing, like Hinsoong said. I&#039;m curious to now what the majority of Japanese thinks about it.

If it&#039;s so offfensive that it has to be censored, to be allowed to sell it, what&#039;s the whole point? Because it WANTS to be offensive, right? ;)
Well, freedom of speech is important, and censorship can be good for people who are easily offended, but generally, that doesn&#039;t make sense for the people who do want to watch it, &#039;cause they&#039;re the ones to buy it. I mean, if you buy an adult DVD, I don&#039;t think you&#039;d be freaked out by it&#039;s content (except if you bought the wrong DVD;))

Well, it probably is something to do with the ones deciding on the censorship.

In Germany there&#039;s also a real stupid censorship for games. For example, they have two versions of Bioshock, one for Germany which is censored and one for the other German speaking countries (Austria and Switzerland). 
There&#039;s less blood and less ugly corpes but the game is still violent, so what&#039;s up with that? And they didn&#039;t censor the most ugly part at all, where someone gets brutally killed. 

Stupid, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone from work (I work at a comicstore) once told me that he doesn&#8217;t understand Japanese censorship.</p>
<p>I showed him some ero stuff with massive censorship and he said something along the lines of: What&#8217;s the big deal? There&#8217;s no need to censor it, we all know what&#8217;s happening, right?</p>
<p>Actually, that&#8217;s exactly what I&#8217;m thinking. But I guess that&#8217;s a cultural thing, like Hinsoong said. I&#8217;m curious to now what the majority of Japanese thinks about it.</p>
<p>If it&#8217;s so offfensive that it has to be censored, to be allowed to sell it, what&#8217;s the whole point? Because it WANTS to be offensive, right? ;)<br />
Well, freedom of speech is important, and censorship can be good for people who are easily offended, but generally, that doesn&#8217;t make sense for the people who do want to watch it, &#8217;cause they&#8217;re the ones to buy it. I mean, if you buy an adult DVD, I don&#8217;t think you&#8217;d be freaked out by it&#8217;s content (except if you bought the wrong DVD;))</p>
<p>Well, it probably is something to do with the ones deciding on the censorship.</p>
<p>In Germany there&#8217;s also a real stupid censorship for games. For example, they have two versions of Bioshock, one for Germany which is censored and one for the other German speaking countries (Austria and Switzerland).<br />
There&#8217;s less blood and less ugly corpes but the game is still violent, so what&#8217;s up with that? And they didn&#8217;t censor the most ugly part at all, where someone gets brutally killed. </p>
<p>Stupid, right?</p>
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		<title>By: Kev</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 09:38:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t see the point, it&#039;s like giving me a twinkie but taking away the cream-filling... wait that came out all wrong :\</description>
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		<title>By: mt-i</title>
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		<dc:creator>mt-i</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 09:29:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess censorship wouldn&#039;t be such a problem if there were clear, unambiguous rules stating what is OK and what isn&#039;t. But since things are never really clear-cut, Mr. Creator can get busted just because he didn&#039;t draw enough black bars on that penis, and Mr. Dirty-but-legal-business can learn that shooting junior idols in bikini wasn&#039;t completely legal after all, depending on recent news headlines and political swings.

The worst kind of censorship is probably the one you have to deal with unexpectedly afterwards, based on the whim of distributors rather than actual, existing regulations, and unconcerned with artistic vision, plot continuity or the intelligence of the viewership. Nice boat was pretty bad. Kojika is perhaps even worse, as it&#039;s probably going to be riddled with nice e&#039;s during its entire run (I found it interesting by the way that any remotely sexual reference the girls make about Aoki, including calling him &#039;doutei&#039;, gets censored, whereas it&#039;s apparenly okay to show boys calling Houin-sensei &#039;paipai&#039;; not that I&#039;m really surprised, eh, Japan).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess censorship wouldn&#8217;t be such a problem if there were clear, unambiguous rules stating what is OK and what isn&#8217;t. But since things are never really clear-cut, Mr. Creator can get busted just because he didn&#8217;t draw enough black bars on that penis, and Mr. Dirty-but-legal-business can learn that shooting junior idols in bikini wasn&#8217;t completely legal after all, depending on recent news headlines and political swings.</p>
<p>The worst kind of censorship is probably the one you have to deal with unexpectedly afterwards, based on the whim of distributors rather than actual, existing regulations, and unconcerned with artistic vision, plot continuity or the intelligence of the viewership. Nice boat was pretty bad. Kojika is perhaps even worse, as it&#8217;s probably going to be riddled with nice e&#8217;s during its entire run (I found it interesting by the way that any remotely sexual reference the girls make about Aoki, including calling him &#8216;doutei&#8217;, gets censored, whereas it&#8217;s apparenly okay to show boys calling Houin-sensei &#8216;paipai&#8217;; not that I&#8217;m really surprised, eh, Japan).</p>
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		<title>By: Work_Ethic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Work_Ethic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 09:09:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>/Bows

Thanx Much!!</description>
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<p>Thanx Much!!</p>
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		<title>By: DrmChsr0</title>
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		<dc:creator>DrmChsr0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 08:51:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If one would give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest man, I would find something in them to have him hanged. 
   - Cardinal Richelieu

I find that quote very telling of censorship.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If one would give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest man, I would find something in them to have him hanged.<br />
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<p>I find that quote very telling of censorship.</p>
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		<title>By: Shingo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shingo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 08:38:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt;Work_Ethic
Tidied that up for you there a bit. ^_^</description>
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Tidied that up for you there a bit. ^_^</p>
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